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PostSubject: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Fri Oct 09, 2009 5:25 pm

If I have 3 metres on 1 side and I have 2 metres the other does it matter, does the sound shift? do I lose stereo imaging? or is it paranoia and I should quit worrying over it?
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 2:41 pm

Your speaker cables would have to be different in length by about 200, odd meters to introduce ~0.001 second delay difference.

However, excessive lengths of wire FAR less can introduce RCL losses that can somewhat alter the Freq Response of the system. Probably still talking one or two hundred of feet of moderate gauge wire to do that.

In other words audiophile nerviosa
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sat Oct 10, 2009 3:26 pm

The longer a piece of speaker cables is, or the narrower its gauge, the greater its resistance. The greater resistance a speaker cable has the more power is lost between the amp and the speaker causing the speaker to play less loudly.
Therefore if you have a very short cable on one speaker and a very long cable on the other speaker, the speaker with the longer cable will be quieter.
It is therefore recommended that speaker cables should be the same gauge, the same length and as short as possible. However, unless the difference in cable length or gauge is substantial the difference in volume will be undetectable. Having said that, our hobby is all about achieving audio perfection, so the rule concerning the speaker cables gauge and its length is probably a good one to follow.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:24 am

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If I have 3 metres on 1 side and I have 2 metres the other does it matter, does the sound shift? do I lose stereo imaging? or is it paranoia and I should quit worrying over it?

If you're not hearing a problem, there isn't one Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:41 am

That's true, I cant hear a difference, but I keep reading that speaker cables must be the same length and I wonder why they all say it's so important.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:06 am

With 4ohm speakers and 14awg cable, it would take a ~100ft difference in length to cause an audible difference in power (1dB). ~200ft for 8ohms.

Same for overall cable length. For 4ohm, there's no audible loss for lengths less than 100ft and 200ft for 8ohm at 14awg. 60/120ft for 16awg.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 2:42 pm

We do these strange things and end up with strange ideas because we strive for perfection, not because they make a difference!
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:24 pm

if the cables where 2 miles, and 3 miles, it may make a difference, in yards, it does not matter. I moved from 3m to 15m cables, this allowed me to move the system from inbetween the speakers, to behind the listening seat. The sound of the system improved. Not because of cable length, but because it took all the boxes out of the way of the speakers.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:24 pm

Agreed ....a few yards wont be detectable matey cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:59 pm

I'd notice a difference between differing brands, but the same cables at slightly differing lengths is a different kettle of fish.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:03 pm

Funny though ....when I bought 6 metres of NAIM speaker cable the salesman insisted on me buying two equal lengths !!
Not that I mean anything by that like as it were sorta thing ? Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:47 pm

Due to the wifes orders, I had to increase the 2m length of one of my speakers to 5m, you know what?

Not a jot of difference, and if anyone tells you otherwise (at these lengths anyway) they are talking out of their rear ports!! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 7:18 pm

mark e smith wrote:
Funny though ....when I bought 6 metres of NAIM speaker cable the salesman insisted on me buying two equal lengths !!
Not that I mean anything by that like as it were sorta thing ? Razz


They are quite strict over that, as their amps can oscillate i.e poor design in my view, do you want an amp that's fussy about what it's connected up with? I dont.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:02 am

Ideally, if it can be helped, keep the lengths equal to be 'politically correct' as far as audiophile mentality goes.

But, as everyone here seem to agree, it won't make any difference if you didn't - that is, in a domestic environment. ( i.e. only a few meters of cable is used).

Many manufacturers, when designing their amplifiers, go out of their way to provide identical (symetrical) lengths of printed circuits, for the right and left channels.

In a world of millivolts or even microvolts, it's good practice to keep everything balanced, IMO.
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PostSubject: Re: Speaker cable lengths does it matter?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:16 am

arthurk74 wrote:
Many manufacturers, when designing their amplifiers, go out of their way to provide identical (symetrical) lengths of printed circuits, for the right and left channels.
I don't know enough about the fundamentals of amp circuitry to be certain but I suspect that within an amplifier, especially any using feedback( either in the current of voltage domain) length of printed circuit tracks may be far more important than cables between the output stage and your speakers. I'd be fascinated to hear from anyone with more theoretical understanding of these things.
Personally though, I have an almost superstitious dislike for any amplifier circuit whose channels aren't totally symetrical.
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