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PostSubject: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:36 am

I have suffered a dent in one metal cone due to an over inquisitive moggy .....used the old sellotape trick to pull it out but still have some minor indents.
Anyone know what effect this has on the sound ?
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:19 am

Very little effect unless your darling sweet moggie managed to damage the centering of the coil resulting in it rubbing against the magnet. If so you'll soon have a dead tweeter. You may also have damaged the thing when using the old Selotape trick by rubbing the coil against the magnet yourself. I recommend using a vacuum cleaner if possible whilst having someone else hold the edge of the cone in several places to prevent it moving off center. Hope that makes sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:30 am

It shouldn't make a difference, but psychology it will as you have it on your mind that it's not perfect.

Is it an expensive tweeter and easy to change?

I once put me knee in to the driver of a Revolver RW45 speaker while attempting to move it. I just got my hoover and protective cloth and sucked it out, it was perfect. I don't recommend selotape simply because because you have to push more before it pulls, I'd prefer a straight pull.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:53 am

adam wrote:
It shouldn't make a difference, but psychology it will as you have it on your mind that it's not perfect.

Is it an expensive tweeter and easy to change?

I once put me knee in to the driver of a Revolver RW45 speaker while attempting to move it. I just got my hoover and protective cloth and sucked it out, it was perfect. I don't recommend selotape simply because because you have to push more before it pulls, I'd prefer a straight pull.

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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:34 pm

The double Dutch version, just pulling your chain. doh
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sat May 01, 2010 4:51 am

Yep, if it's just a dust cap it makes no difference. As long as the driver is still pistoning without being off centre all should be well! Very Happy Bloody cats!! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sat May 01, 2010 5:50 am

Just realised it's your tweeter so it won't be "just a dustcap"! Embarassed If you've got most of it back out I still can't see it making a huge difference as long as said tweeter is still centred.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sat May 01, 2010 1:57 pm

There is only one known cure to set it right - replace it. Chances are that when it was dented, it was also bent off center, and unless you are willing to take it literally apart, you'll never be sure again.

When making my own speakers, I also bought 3 spare titanium tweeters, and one has been used up already. The cleaning woman wanted to dust it, she says she just touched it, blah, blah ... less than one hour after I warned her in plain language to stay away from the speakers. Say that to any woman, and you are waving not a red cloth, but a red blanket before a very pissed off bull. Twisted Evil

Mark, you are into avionics, you know from your own experience that once a piece of metal has been bent, no matter what you do, it will have lost its natural rigidity and can never be the same again.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sat May 01, 2010 2:36 pm

Thanks all........just been in touch with KEF.
They reckon it will be ok if its not to dented. Will only slightly effect dispersal of the sound which they say will probably be unnoticable to the human lug oles.
DVV....your quite right though so I will be replacing it soon.
PS...I used masking tape , not sellotape....sorry for not being exact in my description.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sat May 01, 2010 6:02 pm

Those KEF tweeters uniquite? the ones in the centre can be a bit of a pig to change if I recall, quite tricky.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sun May 02, 2010 6:05 am

Cats are particularly sensitive to high frequencies and they're smart enough to know where these sounds come from..

I think it is advisable to replace both tweeters, that is, if your speakers are a few years old.

A brand new tweeter will take a while to 'settle down' and may sound a bit brighter than the old one.

I know, it's a pedantic point but every little bit helps to get the best out of a system Mark. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sun May 02, 2010 7:04 am

arthurk74 wrote:
Cats are particularly sensitive to high frequencies and they're smart enough to know where these sounds come from..

I think it is advisable to replace both tweeters, that is, if your speakers are a few years old.

A brand new tweeter will take a while to 'settle down' and may sound a bit brighter than the old one.

I know, it's a pedantic point but every little bit helps to get the best out of a system Mark. Smile
Sadly Arthur is dead right on this score . If one tweeter is damaged replacing it with another, even if apparently the same model, doesn't always work. Aging of the remaining tweeter may mean the new one never 'catches up' or different production runs of the same model may have subtle differences in performance the manufacturers aren't going to admit to.
Years ago I replaced a tweeter on a pair of TDL speakers only to find the left/right balance was always out. Replacing the un-damaged one in the other channel fixed this.
So, Mark, if you do decide to go down the replacement path prepare yourself for the necessity of replacing both left and right tweeters and strangling the cat.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sun May 02, 2010 7:49 am

Are buying new pieces and spare for for speakers and Hi-Fi in general the same as what it is when you buy new pieces for a car?

Can you imagine what it would cost building a car from spare parts? I hope that's not the case for speakers and Hi-Fi.
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sun May 02, 2010 7:54 am

Oh yes Mike, pretty much the same..

Spare parts in HI FI components come at a premium, if you want the genuine items.

Sometimes, with smaller manufacturers, you can't even find the part.. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Dented tweeter cones....effects ????   Sun May 02, 2010 8:54 am

mike80 wrote:
Are buying new pieces and spare for for speakers and Hi-Fi in general the same as what it is when you buy new pieces for a car?

Can you imagine what it would cost building a car from spare parts? I hope that's not the case for speakers and Hi-Fi.


I have built one of my two cars from parts. Yes, it does cost more than the run-off-the-mill fare, BUT you do have opportunites to improve on the basic model without paying from your nose. It can be done, if it's to use modern technology you will need a team of people, but in the end, it well worth it. At least in my case.

But, don't mind me, I'm a freak. For the money I spent, around 8,500 euros, I could have bought exactly two brand new cars of local manufacture, but I ended up with a pocket rocket, a bit of a blast from the past, which will shame a Golf GTi from one traffic light to another EVERY time, and it's tailor made to my requirements. It looks like an early 70-ies GT model. And for that money, there is NOTHING on this planet that can compare, trust me on that. The first thing after it that can outrun it costs around 22,000 euros, a Renault Clio RS.
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