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JimF



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PostSubject: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:28 pm

In just under tow and a half years, my system has been completely upgraded, including the interconnects and speaker cables.

My system consists of a Moon CD 5.3 CD player, Electrocompaniet EC 4.8 preamplifier, Electrocompaniet AW180 Mono power power amplifiers, Focal Electrica 1027 BE speakers, Chord Anthem 2 interconnects (CD play to preamp) Chord Chorus 2 balanced interconnects (pre to power amps) and Chord Epic speaker cables.

This has lead to a significant improvement in sound and the way that the system handles mediocre recordings but there are still a handful of CD’s that sound awful, sounding very closed in.

I know that there was a lot of press surrounding the quality of Metacilla’s last release and that this apparently sounded awful, even of high end systems. Does this mean that such recordings can never be enjoyed irrespective of how much money is thrown at a system/

I would be interested to hear from anyone as to how their system handled poor recordings and whether they feel that these recordings could be made enjoyable by spending £20,000 plus on a system.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 2:54 pm

JimF wrote:
In just under tow and a half years, my system has been completely upgraded, including the interconnects and speaker cables.

My system consists of a Moon CD 5.3 CD player, Electrocompaniet EC 4.8 preamplifier, Electrocompaniet AW180 Mono power power amplifiers, Focal Electrica 1027 BE speakers, Chord Anthem 2 interconnects (CD play to preamp) Chord Chorus 2 balanced interconnects (pre to power amps) and Chord Epic speaker cables.

This has lead to a significant improvement in sound and the way that the system handles mediocre recordings but there are still a handful of CD’s that sound awful, sounding very closed in.

I know that there was a lot of press surrounding the quality of Metacilla’s last release and that this apparently sounded awful, even of high end systems. Does this mean that such recordings can never be enjoyed irrespective of how much money is thrown at a system/

I would be interested to hear from anyone as to how their system handled poor recordings and whether they feel that these recordings could be made enjoyable by spending £20,000 plus on a system.




I am experiencing the same situation Jim.

Since I upgraded the preamplifier ( Conrad Johnson PV 14 L) and the power amplifiers ( Bryston 7B ST monoblocks), the good recordings sound sublime but the bad ones are exposed ruthlessly for what they are!..

The C J in particular, is a 'master' of detail and refinement, to the point, that even bad console mixing / fading is plain to hear!

Still, I am prepared to forgive such performance, on account of the pleasure I get from high quality recordings.

I have a second system ( Thule Spirit CD player, Densen DM 10 amp. Dynavector speakers), that does exactly the opposite, i.e. makes all recordings - with very few exceptions - sound wonderful, warm and easy to listen to. Not the last word in neutrality or accuracy, but very pleasant nevertheless.

I guess, this is a price one has to pay for a high resolution system .. and, by the way, .. what you mean "high end system" ?.. Your setup is not exactly "low end", is it?

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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:26 pm

I think mines generally OK, before I treated my room poorly recorded music really would upset room nodes and modes but since taming the room i've found much more of my collection is listenable, the better the resolving power of your kit allows you to hear more of how something was recorded, how is drum kit is being played, how hard it had been hit, isps while singing, breaths taken by vocalist, its those little clues that make a good system great, I don't find much of my collection that unlistenable as to what I did before and I don't listen to the most refined of music at times.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:00 pm

I've upgraded most of my kit in the last 2 years as well. The music that springs to mind for me is The Jayhawks albums. They were always a bit thin sounding and strident in the treble. As my system has been getting better I've found it digs up more of what's on the discs and opens the sound up a bit. The same is true of my Aztec Camera albums. They're never going to be great sounding recordings but I find them more listenable now with the better system.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 6:43 pm

In one of the hi-fi magazines I subscribe to, the writers say that a good system will make audiophile recordings ‘sing’ and highlight the best bits of a poor recording rather than the weaknesses. My own thoughts are that a revealing system will highlight weakness in recordings but others may be of a different opinion.

The upgrades have resulted in a system which is very revealing due to its much improved resolving power. With the recent change from Nordost Red Dawn to Chord Anthem 2 interconnects between my CD player and preamp, I am able to hear detail that was not audible before. The system does get into the heart of the recording and most of the CD’s which were problematic sound much better but a recently purchased copy of the Foo Fighters “The Colour And The Shape” sound very compressed.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Fri Jan 08, 2010 7:20 pm

JimF wrote:
In one of the hi-fi magazines I subscribe to, the writers say that a good system will make audiophile recordings ‘sing’ and highlight the best bits of a poor recording rather than the weaknesses. My own thoughts are that a revealing system will highlight weakness in recordings but others may be of a different opinion.


I agree with that in essence as I find the better and system gets the better poor recording sound too, for example I used to read a revealing system makes poor cd unlistenable, I found that to be wrong, I found the better the ststem and set up the better rough CDs tended to sound.

Another example is, before I had so many cds that I thought were just unlistenable, but once I improved the system and room they sounded so much more listenable, I find cheaper systems tend to boom in the bass 50-70Hz area and the treble rips the paint of the wall.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:23 am

I'm afraid the better my gear gets it highlights the trash even more......catch 22 methinks !!
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:29 am

BRING BACK TONE CONTROLS ! ! ! !
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:08 am

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BRING BACK TONE CONTROLS !


ha ha .....still like to have a joke eh bachman? Laughing lol!
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:24 am

mark e smith wrote:
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BRING BACK TONE CONTROLS !


ha ha .....still like to have a joke eh bachman? Laughing lol!

No, I'm damned serious! ! The recent audiophool puritanism that bans the use of tone controls, even defeatable ones, is in my opinion insanity.
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:30 am

yeah but we freaks have enough to think about without being up and down every two minutes to tweak the tone....you know you would js !!! Shocked
Your one of the vta adjusting brigade JS.....no offence but what would you be like with yet more knobs to play with ??



I don't believe I wrote that last bit......sorry mods! Embarassed
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PostSubject: Re: How does your system handle poor recordings?   Tue Jan 12, 2010 8:46 am

mark e smith wrote:
yeah but we freaks have enough to think about without being up and down every two minutes to tweak the tone....you know you would js !!! Shocked
Your one of the vta adjusting brigade JS.....no offence but what would you be like with yet more knobs to play with ??

I'll play with your K***(s) if you don't watch it!

Given the fact that most pop songs only last 2 mins I can understand your concern. However, us classical snobs know that, for instance, all CBS's recordings of Bernstein conducting Mahler's symphonys have a savage upper treble. The simple solution is to cut the treble , sit back down for a few hours of improved sonics. I feel sorry for you rock and roll lovers having to fiddle with your knobs every few minutes.
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