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arthurk74

Join date: 2009-09-19 Trade: Posts: 763 Location: Sydney Aus Age: 65
 | Subject: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:06 am | |
| Let us pause for a moment from our daily uttering about audio, and remember the difficult times some of our fellow humans experience at the moment in Japan..
You'll see some amazing photos from the earthquake, the tsunami that followed and the devastation it caused.
(The link appeared first in http://cpskal.gr/ which is the old 'audiophile club of Athens')
The resulting nuclear nightmare, makes one wonder about our 'wisdom' in the use of modern technology, without considering the implications..
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2011/03/massive_earthquake_hits_japan.html |
|  | | adam

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 4276 Location: Spain Age: 42
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 11:51 am | |
| It's all very sad arthur, but as I said in the other thread with some many disasters, wars and constant bombardment by 24hours news stations, newspapers that we become desensitized by what is going on around us, not much left to shock us and it become just another human tragedy.
Even so what I see on the news still leaves me shocked and horrified at what has happened in Japan, plus my brother lives there with his family so it hits home that little bit more.
Sadly we see it so often that a few days later we forget it, while those suffering have to live with the consequences for years to come. |
|  | | bushytip

Join date: 2010-05-22 Trade: Posts: 1247 Age: 30
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:20 pm | |
| Sad but true Adam, the world is turning into a very vicious place, through acts of people and mother nature alike!
What can u do? |
|  | | greg
Join date: 2010-06-25 Trade: Posts: 356
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 12:56 pm | |
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|  | | arthurk74

Join date: 2009-09-19 Trade: Posts: 763 Location: Sydney Aus Age: 65
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:41 pm | |
| Perhaps, some lessons can be learned from this devastation?
Better choice of locations for power generating nuclear reactors?
Much stronger, from an engineering point of view, construction, able to withstand tremors, tsunamis and whatever else natural disasters may happen in the future? Cost of project should be less important than absolute safety.
Finite life span of these stations?
The issue is far too serious to leave things to chance IMHO.
An earthquake and a tsunami, devastating as they are, can last several minutes..
Nuclear catastrophy may last for decades - if no more! |
|  | | bushytip

Join date: 2010-05-22 Trade: Posts: 1247 Age: 30
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:39 pm | |
| Well the Japs are very much technologically advanced so if the rest of the world can learn from their new preventional methods then at least their has been some form of good come from it all.....I think! Horrible times! |
|  | | adam

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 4276 Location: Spain Age: 42
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 5:22 pm | |
| The Japanese were more prepared for earthquakes than any one, that's why most building in tokyo absorbed the earthquake, they are built to with stand them, the problem was the tsunami, they were prepared even for that, what they were not prepared for was the size of the quake and the after effect of that tsunami, they had wall built, a big massive gate, but the tsunami just moved it out of the way as if it was a cardboard box, that is the power of nature, next time they will make it stronger, that is Japanese mentality.
I don't really know about nuclear power, but I do wonder how much of it is over played and fear mongering by the press, and how much of it is covered up by the authorities, I've heard both sides. |
|  | | woodstock

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 511
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:12 pm | |
| | bushytip wrote: | Sad but true Adam, the world is turning into a very vicious place, through acts of people and mother nature alike!
What can u do? |
Nothing, it's too late, repent
We've come to depend on oil, oil has become the curse of all evil, us normal every day folk just have to pit up with it while the powers in control screw is over and over again feeding us their lies, little wonder people turn to crime, just look at how crime and scams go up in times of recession. |
|  | | arthurk74

Join date: 2009-09-19 Trade: Posts: 763 Location: Sydney Aus Age: 65
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Tue Mar 29, 2011 12:15 am | |
| | woodstock wrote: | | bushytip wrote: | Sad but true Adam, the world is turning into a very vicious place, through acts of people and mother nature alike!
What can u do? |
Nothing, it's too late, repent
We've come to depend on oil, oil has become the curse of all evil, us normal every day folk just have to pit up with it while the powers in control screw is over and over again feeding us their lies, little wonder people turn to crime, just look at how crime and scams go up in times of recession. |
In addition to oil, there's several other different forms of power generation ( solar, wind, wave, hydro), that are not promoted as they should.
It seems, vested interests have the last word in these matters and, in the case of nuclear power generation, the relevant 'lobby' has a very large influence in policy making..
Here in Australia, we have no nuclear power generating stations, at all.
Power generation is mostly done by, either hydroelectric means or use of coal (which Australia has in abundance).
There's a very small nuclear reactor in Sydney, which serves the medical industry for the making of isotopes, mostly. This is of insignificant power when compared to a power generating plant. |
|  | | adam

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 4276 Location: Spain Age: 42
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Tue Mar 29, 2011 11:24 am | |
| Near to where I live arthur about 1 1/2 hours drive away there is a place called tarifa, it face the Atlantic more than the med sea any it is always very windy so you get loads of surfers, but also you will find thousands of wind mills, not the Dutch type, but huge massive air turbines to generate electricity, it makes sense to me, we need to find ways of using sustainable methods, such as maybe finding a way of grinding grass down so you can use it for something, but in the summer it is always growing and we just chuck it away, I think we need to look more to nature. |
|  | | dvv

Join date: 2009-10-20 Trade: Posts: 3262 Location: Serbia Age: 58
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Tue Mar 29, 2011 7:34 pm | |
| Arthur, I pause to think of them every morning and evening, and while pausing, I dial a local Red Cross number and donate approximately half na euro per call, or an euro per day. It's the least I can do. I pity those people like I don't know how to begin to describe. |
|  | | arthurk74

Join date: 2009-09-19 Trade: Posts: 763 Location: Sydney Aus Age: 65
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Wed Mar 30, 2011 1:57 am | |
| | adam wrote: | | Near to where I live arthur about 1 1/2 hours drive away there is a place called tarifa, it face the Atlantic more than the med sea any it is always very windy so you get loads of surfers, but also you will find thousands of wind mills, not the Dutch type, but huge massive air turbines to generate electricity, it makes sense to me, we need to find ways of using sustainable methods, such as maybe finding a way of grinding grass down so you can use it for something, but in the summer it is always growing and we just chuck it away, I think we need to look more to nature. |
So true Adam!
The problem is, these 'alternatives' are not being allowed to develop in any meaningful way. You see, there's big money in making nuclear reactors and installing them in power generating plants. One of the largest companies in the world is a big player in this (.. I won't mention the name here for obvious reasons, don't want you to get in trouble..), and they're not exactly enthusiastic about supporting alternative technologies.
Again, here in Australia, we do have installed some of these large wind turbines, on an experimental basis, but their wide spread use has been prevented. The excuse given was..., wait for it, they're .... visually polluting for the coast line!.. (..if you ask me, I rather have to deal with visual pollution than nuclear one..).
The use of solar panels seems to be on a good path ( given the amount of sunlight we enjoy), but the prices (of panels) currently are being kept quite high, making the investment a long term viable operation.
@ Dejan,
The frightening thing is, some nuclear disaster such as this, could happen in any of the many ageing reactors, anywhere in Europe!..
I heard this morning in the news, there's concern about a reactor in Romania, but don't know much about the details. In the meantime, Germany is, or is about, to close 7 of it's nuclear plants that have reached a ripe old age...
God forbid! Spare the thought! |
|  | | dvv

Join date: 2009-10-20 Trade: Posts: 3262 Location: Serbia Age: 58
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Wed Mar 30, 2011 8:17 am | |
| Serbia, where I live, is in a particularly bad way regarding nuclear power plants. Although they have been banned in the country, we are surrounded by aging and ureliable nukes all around us, in Austria, Croatia/Slovenia (they share), Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria, a total of 7.
Given that the distances to them are less than 1,000 miles worst case, if any one of them should go rogue, we will be involved, like it or not.
While in the UK, way back in 1970, I always used to regard the local nuclear power station, the one at Hinkley Point, as a suspect, and from the window of my room, I had a grand view of it. |
|  | | woodstock

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 511
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Wed Mar 30, 2011 10:03 am | |
| Cancer always on the rise.....hmmmmmm |
|  | | adam

Join date: 2009-09-05 Trade: Posts: 4276 Location: Spain Age: 42
 | Subject: Re: Japanese tragedy. Wed Mar 30, 2011 5:42 pm | |
| | arthurk74 wrote: | | adam wrote: | | Near to where I live arthur about 1 1/2 hours drive away there is a place called tarifa, it face the Atlantic more than the med sea any it is always very windy so you get loads of surfers, but also you will find thousands of wind mills, not the Dutch type, but huge massive air turbines to generate electricity, it makes sense to me, we need to find ways of using sustainable methods, such as maybe finding a way of grinding grass down so you can use it for something, but in the summer it is always growing and we just chuck it away, I think we need to look more to nature. |
So true Adam!
The problem is, these 'alternatives' are not being allowed to develop in any meaningful way. You see, there's big money in making nuclear reactors and installing them in power generating plants. One of the largest companies in the world is a big player in this (.. I won't mention the name here for obvious reasons, don't want you to get in trouble..), and they're not exactly enthusiastic about supporting alternative technologies.
Again, here in Australia, we do have installed some of these large wind turbines, on an experimental basis, but their wide spread use has been prevented. The excuse given was..., wait for it, they're .... visually polluting for the coast line!.. (..if you ask me, I rather have to deal with visual pollution than nuclear one..).
The use of solar panels seems to be on a good path ( given the amount of sunlight we enjoy), but the prices (of panels) currently are being kept quite high, making the investment a long term viable operation.
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Exactly arthur, there are alternatives out there, but they will never see the light of day while we have oil companies, making a mint, they just buy out any alternatives, the same goes for what you say, while there is money to be made, who cares if we are screwing the earth and future generations, we will never see change, too much money will be lost.
The wind farm we have near me are quite well hidden in the hills, the really look quite magnificent, certainly no worse than the electricity pillions we see every where.
I think there used to be a nuclear power station were I used to live, I know it was a power station but not sure if it was nuclear or not, in a tiny little place in Essex called Bradwell. |
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