Aye he is Ozzy but deary me , I don,t think I have ever read a more brilliant well informed post !
You nailed it and I have no come back at all !

Is he Jeremy Clarksons bastard son ? He does have a look about him .

As well as being a twat obviously cos he SHAFTED JENSON AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGG !!!!!!!!!!

What's he done? do?

I think the thing is with Vettel is that he knows how good the car is and he believes in his own ability but when things dont go his way he gets frustrated and reverts to the Schumacher of old tactics, go all out and take the risks, if it pays off which sometimes it does then hes the teams hero and he is praised for his willingness to drive on the edge and read things like a genius. Now on the back of a few of these types of events he is now being rash and dangerous, even his pole starts have been bad of recent as if he is trying to over think the start and not just drive for the first corner insuring a good launch.

I nearly shattered the glass on the plasma screaming at it when he hit Jenson, but then maybe a webber hamilton end to the season will be an easier ride than the 4 well was 5 of them but Alonso wont be challenging this year and after next wednesday nor will the team.

I think quite possibly they are gunna lose some constructors points.

Is it worth us having a seperate F1 thread guys?
Would there be any interest, cos I will whack one up in the Twilight Zone a little later.

Oh @ Mark

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Sorry Bushy, gotta disagree with the Schumacher comparison.

The is a huge difference between a rush of blood from an immature cosseted driver and the premeditated aggression of Shoestacker :evil:

Vettel lacks maturity and has not been guided in a way that will show his best side. All drivers get frustrated when things don't go their way but few throw girlie little strops. The same trait can be seen in Alonso, but his hissy fits are contrived to give the team a wake up call. It's not pretty but it does work (for him).

If he was given solid guidance (Jackie Stewart comes to mind) and not treated like a protected species within the team we would see the basic level headedness under pressure, that develops in most drivers in time, come to the fore.

He is a thoughtful and talented driver. He just needs better management.

I was refering to the hot headedness and lack of thought that Schumacher has applied many years ago in a hit or miss manner, if it works he was hailed if it didnt he was hailed with insults!
I do agree Sebastian is somewhat immature but I think the frustrations of racing at the moment is getting the better of his good judgement, seeing red and this is what Schumacher has done in the past aswell as being a calculationg bas***d

Ur right about better management tho mind, look at how well and level headed Lewis approached his F1 debut season, being in the best car on the track, very level headed, Vettel should look up to Mark Webber and seek guidence from him instead of trying to go all out against him, hes young and his time will come, all he needs to do is be patient!

The latest topic of conversation is about Sebastian Vettel an excellent driver and a definate world champion for the future, unfortunatly a little wet behind the ears, last weekends diabolical run on Jenson Button into a corner he would never have been able to break for shows a lack of maturity and rash behaviour and frustration on his part!

The other topic being discussed at the moment is the world court hearing next wednesday on the 8th of september to decide the fate of Ferrari and their blatent team rules over the radio to Filippe Massa.

Can't see any more punishment being handed out following the hearing of the WMC. There will be a clarification of the rule and possibly a toothless suspended sentence for one year. As much as everybody moans about what they do, it is still Ferrari. With Jean Todt at the helm, they can expect a tougher time than in recent years, for no other reason than Todt needs to distance himself to retain his credibility.

But and it's a big BUT, they are still Ferrari. While being no great fan of the Prancing Horse, they do have the absolute power of being the most markettable of all F1 teams.

Whether we like it or not they do have a much bigger share of the worldwide fan base, and as such would be too valuable a commodity for F1 PLC to lose.

I think ur right as to the commercial revenue that Ferrari generates but I still have a sneaking suspicion that some other punishment may be handed out, or should be infact. Look at the Allonso Pique situation, there was a big up heaval of Renault and sponsers walked away, even though that was a more dangerous situation although not directly on the racing line it was still deemed as a race fixing situation and this is too. On the back of Renaults tomfoolery I think some sort of although probably going to be leanient (and bearing in mind Ferrari have already been fined 100,000 euros) further punishment should be handed out, in order to prove that Ferrari are not favoured over the other teams.

Personally I would judt take away all the constructors points for that one race as the team were at fault not the drivers!

Austin circuit layout revealed Race organisers for the forthcoming United States Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, have released a draft layout of the new circuit that will stage the event from 2012, when Formula One racing returns to the country for the first time in five years.

Working with renowned track architect Hermann Tilke, organisers Full Throttle Productions LP have drawn inspiration from the best circuits around the world, as well as taking advantage of the site’s natural topography to include some dramatic elevation changes.

Turns 3 through 6 look not dissimilar to Silverstone’s high-speed Maggotts/Becketts; Turns 12 through 15 give a nod to Hockenheim's stadium section; and Turns 16 through 18 will mirror the infamous, multi-apex Turn 8 at Istanbul Park.

“The area has natural elevation differences, which promises a fast track with difficult corners,” Hellmund told Formula1.com recently. “But the most essential thing is that has to be a masterpiece in its suitability for fans. Spectators have to be able to see large parts of the track from wherever they are.”

The 3.4 mile (5.47 kilometre), anticlockwise circuit features 20 turns and a total elevation change of 133 feet (40.5 metres), including a steep, uphill run into the hairpin Turn 1, which is expected to become the venue’s signature corner.

For the 3D layout of the track click the link below:
http://www.formula1.com/assets/pdf/F1%20USGP%20BasicTrack%20LayoutwElevation.pdf
The fist corner should be awesome!

I think the problem that the WMC face, is that team orders are part of and have always been part of the sport. There is no difference between asking your team mate to pull over than to agree not to overtake after the last pit stop (McLaren has used this for years to avoid late race collisions and overstressing the cars).

What Ferrari do/say (to their credit) is being honest about it. It's no good Christian Horner bleating about "the drivers must be allowed to fight it out" and "Ferrari have made a mockery of the spectators expectations", when later in the season he is going to have to make the same call.

All the teams use these instructions at one time or another. The difference is that Ferrari never seem to understand subtlety. When ever this happens it is always blatant and because of the Prancing Horse's popularity/infamy, it creates a backlash. More sublety would prevent the casual viewer from being alienated. If more people understood the ins and outs of the sport, there would be less of an issue.

It is a team sport. The only way to stop team orders is to restrict the teams to one car only. None of us want to see that as there is no benchmark of performance of one individual over another. A team needs to impliment these instructions because the team is fighting for constructor's points. There is no financial reward for the driver's championship short of cache.
However, where the teams finish in the constructor's championship has a direct effect on their income from FOM for the following year.

This isn't match fixing. This a team maximising it's position, while minimising the risks.

I quite like the look of the Austin circuit. Up hill into turn 1, nice rhythm generating corners right up to the hairpin T11. I can see it being follow the leader from T12 right through to 19. Two maybe three classic overtaking places in a Tilke circuit these days is about average. First weekend will reveal if it has worked.

Nice elevation change will make it good for viewing. Don't think it's another Spa though.

Personally I believe team orders should be allowed and only scrutinised if a team order or driver has become in any way dangerous to another driver or team due to the order.

We all know that a driver has one opportunity to move across the track when defending and then has to hold his line but on some tracks its hard to overtake anyway and one driver could potentially hold up another to let their team mate get further afield, team orders are part of the sport either way and I think properly managed would make for a better situation all round because they will never stop.

As for skeaky clean Christian, I dont believe a word of it, lets see how much support Mark starts to get in the next few races!

Austin reminds me a little of a more vicious interlagos, with the start finish line on the main straight